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The Toilet Paper Debate Continues
The Washington Post

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Until we come up with a viable alternative to toilet paper, our only options are recycled versus the fluffy white. Here’s our question: Why are people still using the “regular” stuff at all?

 
 

We did a quick Amazon search and price comparison of Seventh Generation versus Kleenex Cottonelle, the Kleenex is only 1.5 cents a roll less than the Seventh Generation. Prices for the recycled stuff have come down far enough to be competitive with the standard toilet paper, so at this point it doesn't seem like it should be because of the price.

According to a recent Washington Post article the “big” toilet-paper makers say that they've taken steps to become more Earth-friendly but their customers still want the soft stuff, so they're still selling it. The problem is, according to the article, plush U.S. toilet paper is usually made by chopping down and grinding up trees that were decades or even a century old. So in essence, we’re deforesting the oldest, best trees to make some of the nicest paper, that we then use to eliminate one of the dirtiest things and then we flush it down the toilet. And then it’s gone.

I could care less about the type of toilet paper I use; the softness, quilts and number of plies just don’t matter to me as long as it does the job. I’m fine with using the less soft stuff and if it means paying an extra couple of cents to avoid cutting down additional trees than I’m for all it. It’s that simple for me, but clearly it matters more to other people and it’s an ongoing debate in our household.

The Washington Post article is a great read on why virgin wood fibers are softer than recycled and the steps various organizations have taken to change the manufacturing process.

So, we’re curious readers, does it matter to you? Why are we still talking about it and how have you handled the topic in your household?

Related:

Ever-Green Toilet Paper
Survey: Recycled Toilet Paper?
Green Alternative to Toilet Paper?


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Our house is in a unique situation: I had tooshie surgery that's dictating our TP choice. For the first several weeks after surgery, any time I used the loo I had to take a sitz bath to ensure total cleanliness. Then I "graduated" to wipes and then to normal TP.

Now I'm pregnant and it has caused some complications. I'm back to at least one bath a day (two is ideal) and soft tissue or wipes.

The minute I'm cleared we're switching to recycled. If we owned/it didn't require moving walls to make the space in our bathroom, we'd install a bidet and buy the recycled stuff tomorrow.

If anyone has suggestions that won't irritate an already sensitive area, I would love to hear them.

posted by EmmieB on September 28th 2009 at 4:25pm
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EmmieB, a bidet toilet seat may do the trick-- check out the Toto "washlet" and Brondell "swash." Very rare outside Japan-- surprising given their universal appeal.

posted by salsa on September 28th 2009 at 4:42pm
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well, you're comparing a more expensive brand to start with. if you're buying the cheapest stuff, then the recycled stuff is a huge price jump. i prefer to buy the cheap for now & just cut back paper waste in other areas.

posted by mariegael on September 28th 2009 at 4:45pm
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ooo - thanks Salsa! I'll check that out!

posted by EmmieB on September 28th 2009 at 6:28pm
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In some parts of the world toilet paper is a quaint concept. A bidet style system is what is considered civilised and sanitary.

http://www.biobidet.com/
http://www.usabidet.com/

posted by Khürt Williams on September 28th 2009 at 7:15pm
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I switched to recycled a few months back, but I really miss the soft plushy Northern Quilted :(

posted by KimberlyM on September 28th 2009 at 7:39pm
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Every time I bring recycled into our house, I get vociferous complaints from my husband and children. So, for now, we're back to the plush stuff and we're working diligently in other areas to make up the difference.

posted by JenontheEdge on September 28th 2009 at 9:03pm
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I'm with the first poster. I have a GI related disease, and my best friend has Crohn's. The recycled stuff just doesn't work if you're already sore and sensitive. I've been pricing washlets, but I'm a little daunted by the prospect of putting one in, and trying to get warm water to it.

posted by imake1tgirl on September 28th 2009 at 9:30pm
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Hmm, I know this wasn't the intent of the thread, but I have to say that I LOVE that toilet paper holder (I am picturing it painted white).
If anyone knows where I can get one online, please feel free to let me know!

posted by verano on September 28th 2009 at 10:41pm
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We use the President's Choice brand (in Canada) - when you get it on sale, it is cheaper than ANY of the regular stuff.

I can't go back to using soft TP now. When I'm at a friend's house and use it, it feels like I'm using velvet or something to wipe - very wasteful and uncomfortable!

posted by PEIgirl on September 29th 2009 at 7:41am
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I purchased "green"er toilet paper recently and I am allergic to it. I believe it is the non-bleach that they use to whiten it, but they don't list what the non-bleach chemical is.

posted by BreeInVT on September 29th 2009 at 12:32pm
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I admit that I haven't thought much about this. For the year that my bf and I have lived together his parents have given us all the toilet paper we need. They're always giving us stuff like bags of potatoes, boxes of pasta, etc because his dad buys loads of bulk items. So I'm not sure what kind of TP he's giving us but I tell you, it's not 2-ply, quilted, plush, soft, or like a pillow on your butt. Not sure if its recycled or not.

posted by graciela on September 29th 2009 at 12:55pm
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I tried to buy the recycled kind but my husband complained about it being rough it so now we are back to regular although i didn't mind the sacrafice personally. I do have to say though the recycled brands are nearly twice as much money as the less expensive regular brands. Cottonelle is a pricey brand to compare to.

posted by HappiestApple on September 30th 2009 at 11:56am
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i know rebekkap already gave some links, but for anyone interested in reading more, i thought i'd mention that it may be more fruitful to google "family cloth" rather than cloth wipes, as cloth wipes more frequently refer to diapering. it gets referred to this way to distinguish it from the diapers and the "mama cloth" that typically lead a family down the path to, well, more cloth.

posted by doubledutch on September 30th 2009 at 3:12pm
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Let me add that some recycled brands are better than others, with regard to the softness. The Green Forest brand is much softer, and the Trader Joe's brand is both acceptably soft AND thicker than the average recycled tp.

The Seventh Generation stuff is so rough that my ex referred to it as "John Wayne toilet paper."

posted by Cheryl on October 3rd 2009 at 10:12am
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The only condition I hold about TP is that it's recycled...I could care less about softness, 2-ply, quilting, etc. Sure, I notice when the TP is rough or whatever, but as long as it gets the job done I'm happy.

I've never had a convo about toilet paper with my live-in beau or my parents (when we visit them). I guess I didn't realize people held strong opinions about softness in their TP!

Thanks for the tip on the 'family cloth' -- I'm off to check it out!

posted by terrafaith on October 3rd 2009 at 11:43pm
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I had switched my family to recycled toilet paper but now we are back on a non-green brand. While my son and my dad didn't mind it I absolutely hated it. It caused far too much irritation, which is one of two toilet paper no-nos (the other is lint.)

Also, @rebekkap thank you for posting those! I'm sure my dad wouldn't be keen to switch but since he has his own bathroom that shouldn't be a problem and it'll at least decrease the amount of TP we use monthly.

posted by citrusberry on October 28th 2009 at 6:05pm
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